Deposit Bug

 Douglas: Welcome to the Bank of Prolix! Your account balance is 7013 SP. What would you like to do?
 Dr. Duke: /withdraw 2 sp
 Douglas: You have withdrawn 2 SP from your Prolix bank account. We have charged a 0.08 SP withdrawal fee for this transaction. Your new account balance is 7011 SP.
 Dr. Duke: /deposit 55432 SP
 Dr. Duke: /deposit 55000 SP
 Dr. Duke: /deposit 2 sp

the Deposit isn't working O_O

looks like you locked the prolix bank from tirranians...as i couldnt get all my sp out of my prolix acct i dropped my bank card at tir'an's old marketplace.

dr. duke wrote:

looks like you locked the prolix bank from tirranians...as i couldnt get all my sp out of my prolix acct i dropped my bank card at tir'an's old marketplace.

actually no.... prolix bank isnt locked from tiranians.. so i hope someone didnt steal ur prolix bank card bc this is just a bug

I can always buy a new one, cant buy stuff while i have a hold of it, thank you for the info

Will it be fixed soon? I can't /deposit either...hate carrying money around...

This is a bug i'm debating whether or not to fix... because if i fix, it kinda destroys the elves' Gifting Economic system, which is:

Quote :

In the social sciences, a gift economy (or gift culture) is a society where valuable goods and services are regularly given without any explicit agreement for immediate or future rewards (i.e. no formal quid pro quo exists).[1] Ideally, simultaneous or recurring giving serves to circulate and redistribute valuables within the community. The organization of a gift economy stands in contrast to a barter economy or a market economy. Informal custom governs exchanges, rather than an explicit exchange of goods or services for money or some other commodity.[2]

Various social theories concerning gift economies exist. Some consider the gifts to be a form of reciprocal altruism. Another interpretation is that social status is awarded in return for the gifts.[3] Consider for example, the sharing of food in some hunter-gatherer societies, where food-sharing is a safeguard against the failure of any individual's daily foraging. This custom may reflect concern for the well-being of others, it may be a form of informal insurance, or may bring with it social status or other benefits. Because of the (future) benefit that is received from these actions, gift economies are still based upon trade, but without explicit returns from exchanges.

doesnt seem very moral of elves to give up their values by dealing with money in order to do business

I agree garrick, however even elves still need to buy goods from humans and in order to buy goods we have to secure the money for those goods. i rarely use the bank though, i wait until i have enough to buy what i need until i sell my goods.

dr. duke wrote:

I agree garrick, however even elves still need to buy goods from humans and in order to buy goods we have to secure the money for those goods. i rarely use the bank though, i wait until i have enough to buy what i need until i sell my goods.

thats what i mean... what you're saying is that in order to survive, elves have to sometimes throw out their elves and sink themselves down to the humans' level... dont you think thats immoral for elves to throw out their values in order to survive? get creative and find the ways to survive while living within the values of elven society

Tir'an recognizes that some things, like Crystals, can only be gained by handling money. Therefore from time to time we must acquire siver pieces to obtain items we cannot make. The money can be gained easily by selling your harvests and ores. I have made another common vault for Elves that want space to store crates. Sell your stocks wisely to get what you need, but try not to carry money otherwise. There is no need to trade goods with others for money, they have goods too.

Stayjit wrote:

Tir'an recognizes that some things, like Crystals, can only be gained by handling money.

this is all i needed to read of your post...

and basically it is saying to me that "Tir'an is very loose with its morals.. in abandoning its values depending on the situation"

There will be a short time while the Elves get used to not having a bank, but we will cope. Others may make gifts of Crystals to elves. We may trade with Prolix and Dolf Hloab by giving Trade Baskets again. We may even pile crates on the bridge and invite others to make offers. The evil coins need not be involved. While the Elves may give each other gifts with no strings attached, It might be expected that a foreigner that wants salt or sugar will offer something in return for the Elves hard labor. If others offer one gift in exchange for another, and if the gift-giving is agreeable,the Cala can see little moral conflict. Indeed, as we stock our vaults with seeds and ores , we can only grow stronger and more able to withstand famines or invasions. And as we do away with all need for the dirty coins, we will grow pure in the eyes of the gods that bless us with our fertile lands. Hail Torrix !

Garrick wrote:

themselves down to the humans' level

I resent that

Anyway, because of the closing the elfin market, I'm now forced to open a new market in Prolix. I have nothing against trading with the elves, I've traded many times with them, but I fell we still need a working market. Business is the way of the Prolix and not trade. Also, elves aren't always available to do trade, and there are those who new the AWMyths. They aren't familiar with trading and depend on buying.

alrite so lemme know what you think of this bug fix:

I plan on implementing into the banker bots a system whereby:

If it recognizes the person as an Elf.. the banker (whether it be prolix or tir'an banker) .. will transfer the Elf's SP into an equivalent amount of Salt Powder (or if this isnt good enough.. lemme know which type of resource would be preferred)

If business is done with a prolix banker by an Elf.. it will take Salt from the prolix national vault (pending that there is enough) and place SP back into prolix account to make up for the difference

If business is done with a tir'an banker by an Elf.. it will do the same except take from the tir'an national vault and put money to the /sell merchants (this means that /sell merchants will have a finite source of cash to give out for the /sell command.. which will keep the money supply at a stable amount)

To allow for more money to enter the system.. the prolix bank will be allowed to incur a national debt by letting its national bank balance drop below 0 if the extra money is needed

i like that idea.

How would this effect an elf's SP already deposited in a Prolix bank?

the elf's SP already in a Prolix bank will still be converted by the prolix banker

I think most Elves lost some silver when the banker was killed, but we care little for the dirty coins ( don't we ? ). It's been challenging to cope without SP, but so far we seem fine enough. Converting SP into salt powder seems as good an idea as any, but in a short time I think Elves will be waist deep in so much salt powder it may lose its value as we can collect it far faster than the others can consume it, and if they stockpile it, there would be periods when we cant get rid of it at all. If merchants took our salt powder as well, it would balance, but so far the loss of the banker has not proved a hardship. Elves are clever.